No hangars...

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No hangars...

Posted by Paul Mayer on Apr 29, 2019 7:04 am

What’s the best way to put pressure on your local airport to build hangars? Our local airport has a huge waiting list with ample demand and it seems like the city doesn’t care. I don’t think this is uncommon...
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Re: No hangars...

Posted by Ronald Levy on Apr 29, 2019 4:23 pm

Put together the numbers that show them it will be profitable, and present them to the airport management and any overseeing governmental committee (County Council, Airport Commission, etc.).  You'll have to examine construction costs, financing options, amortization and repayment, maintenance, etc., as well as obtaining commitments from potential tenants.  This won't be easy, but it's been done in the past..  The biggest problem is that the FAA won't fund taxiways to T-hangars, which adds significantly to the initial construction costs.  Another option is to contact a company which builds and rents hangars on contract to airports.  The company leases land from the airport, then builds hangars at their expense and collects rent from tenants.  One company which does that is Sky Harbor (http://skyharbourhangars.com/).  Another possibility is to be your own contractor, and put together a consortium of tenants to put up the money (or otherwise obtain external funding) for the project.  Most airports are happy to work with someone who will simply lease the and and take care of everything else themselves, but recognize that the contractor is taking on all the financial risk, which is why companies like Sky Harbour won't go ahead without serious commitments from potential tenants.
 

Re: No hangars...

Posted by Paul Mayer on Apr 29, 2019 9:55 pm

Thanks Ronald. Last I checked 2 years ago, the waiting list was 15 deep and hasn’t moved...  I know the commitments would come easy, I’m at KVBT I’ll check into that link and continue to gather info.

Re: No hangars...

Posted by Ronald Levy on Apr 30, 2019 2:22 pm

The commitments may come easy, but will they put their money where their commitment is?  That's usually the biggest problem.

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Posted by Michael Morgan on Jun 1, 2019 11:50 am

Lack of hanger space is probably the single largest barrier to aircraft ownership in the United States unless you live in a mild enough climate to tie down outside and don't mind the toll that takes on paint and avionics.  Only the very affluent can afford to build or buy homes at private air parks.  Hanger lists often have hundreds of people in waiting and unfortunately some of these "lists" are really phantoms...it's more "who you know" and not where you are on a list.  Not to mention the near mortgage monthly costs for some.  Some airports automatically take ownership of privately funded hangers after a certain time period which makes no business sense for a potential buyer to invest in.  Some individuals with hanger space aren't even using them for airplanes, they're storing classic cars in them and I even saw a guy using his as wood working shop to build furniture.  It's a real mess.

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Posted by Paul Mayer on Jun 1, 2019 1:13 pm

That’s been my experience too...  That phantom list comment for sure. I was on the list for nearly two years. Then the field built new clubhouses and about 3 hangars shot up by private owners where money is no object. I figured maybe just maybe they’d move their planes out and I’d have a shot. We asked about the list and no one could even find it.

Re: No hangars...

Posted by Ronald Levy on Jun 1, 2019 1:15 pm

Michael Morgan:
Some individuals with hanger space aren't even using them for airplanes, they're storing classic cars in them and I even saw a guy using his as wood working shop to build furniture.

At airports receiving Federal funds, that is usually a violation of the FAA grant agreements.  If that's happening at your airport, tell the Airport Manager.  If that doesn't fix the problem, tell the local FAA Airport District Office.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/arp/regional_offices/
 

Re: No hangars...

Posted by Max Reason on Jun 4, 2019 3:29 am

I hate to throw a rock into this party, but I might ... though I am only reporting what I was told by the airport manager and others at the office in the nearest small airport.

I went to see about renting a hangar.  Same story ... a long waiting list (over one dozen on the list already).  I declined to hand over $100 to get on the list, given the list is so long as to be "hopeless" as far as I could tell.

However, someone else at the airport in the same office as the manager told me (just after the manager walked away), that when a hangar opens up, typically 90% to 100% of those on the list "bail out" (decline to rent the available hangar).  And I don't think that's because of size, because all the hangars for rent are the same size.

I don't understand why people would fork over $100 and wait for months only to decline, but later someone in the FBO at the airport confirmed this story.  Maybe something like this is also happening at other airports?  I don't know.  And I don't understand why this strange behavior exists.  But if this kind of situation is common at other small airports, maybe this explains why many airport managers decide not to invest money to erect more hangars.

PS:  If anyone else has seen a similar situation, please comment, especially if you know why this happens.

Re: No hangars...

Posted by Ronald Levy on Jun 4, 2019 12:37 pm

Max Reason:
However, someone else at the airport in the same office as the manager told me (just after the manager walked away), that when a hangar opens up, typically 90% to 100% of those on the list "bail out" (decline to rent the available hangar).  And I don't think that's because of size, because all the hangars for rent are the same size.

I don't understand why people would fork over $100 and wait for months only to decline, ...

If the list is that long, perhaps they have by then made other arrangements, sold the plane, moved, or otherwise no longer need that hangar.